Saunas, Cold Plunge, and Brown's gas Biohacking Tools for Optimal Health with Leah Drew and David Drimmel

This episode focused on the importance of biohacking tools and techniques to improve overall health. Both David and Leah encourage listeners to adopt a holistic approach to health, emphasizing the importance of intuition and personal responsibility in health decisions. David provides resources and insights on beneficial health tools, and both speakers express a willingness to assist listeners in their health journeys.

Key Points:

1. Infrared Saunas & Bio Mats: David recommends these as tools for those looking to boost their health. Both provide therapeutic benefits, such as detoxification and relaxation.

2. Breathing Hydrogen/Brown's Gas: This is recommended, especially for those who are chronically ill. Brown's gas can be an additional therapeutic tool.

3. Numerous Health Support Tools: Leah emphasizes the variety of ways available to support overall health, from saunas to light therapy.

4. Seeking Guidance: Both speakers encourage listeners to reach out to them for advice or clarity on health tools and practices.

5. Finding David: Those interested in products like saunas or hydrogen machines can visit sauna David also suggests reaching out to him directly on social media.

6. Emphasis on Lifestyle Over Quick Fixes: David stresses that health and vitality aren't about quick solutions, but about adopting a lifestyle. The aim is to empower individuals to take responsibility for their health.

7. Criticisms of the Western Medical System: Leah critiques the western medical system's approach to chronic care, feeling it dis-empowers patients. Acute care is seen as effective, but chronic care lacks a holistic approach.

8. Trust Your Intuition: David underscores the importance of trusting one's instincts and feelings when it comes to health decisions. He cautions about placing too much trust in experts without considering one's feelings.

9. True Expertise: A genuine expert, according to Leah, provides information and science, then lets individuals decide what's best for them.


Leah: [00:00:00] All right, hello everyone, and welcome back to the Mindful Evolution podcast. Today, I have a guest with me, David Dremont. David is highly knowledgeable about biohacking, though he prefers to refer to it as "bioharmonizing." I'm eager to delve deeper into that. He also has a specialization in saunas and is a part-owner and founder of a company which specializes in them. David, thank you for joining us. It's a pleasure to have you.


David: Thanks for having me. I'm looking forward to discussing all the things you just mentioned.


Leah: [00:01:00] Great! Tell us, how did you find your way into the sauna business?


David: Well, it began around a decade ago when I was younger. I was grappling with symptoms of Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS). In my quest to find relief, I became a contractor, selling water systems—one of the treatments that provided me some help. During a trade show, I came across these infrared saunas from Health Mate. PLH products was the first company I collaborated with. The moment I stepped into one of their saunas, my body felt instantly relaxed. I eventually started working for them, even buying one of their saunas for personal use. Doing trade shows for a while, I realized saunas offered me the most relief from my IBS symptoms. [00:02:00] As I sold saunas to more people, I saw their love for these as a health companion. Over the years, through trials and interactions with various companies, I've devised my own DIY protocols for using infrared saunas, which, to my understanding, offer more benefits than traditional ones.


Leah: It's fascinating how you not only found a way to heal yourself but also aid others through the world of saunas. From our previous conversations, I've noted your emphasis on saunas' potential to alleviate various ailments and symptoms, even some diagnosed diseases. [00:03:00] Can you elaborate on why you believe saunas offer such benefits, especially in relation to your personal experience?


David: Definitely. There's substantial research on the benefits of saunas. While most studies focus on traditional saunas due to the vast funding from its multi-billion-dollar global industry, the core findings are relevant to both traditional and infrared saunas. The primary mechanism at play is the elevation of body temperature, which induces a "heat shock." This heat shock augments the level of heat shock proteins beneficial for various functions. The rise in body temperature also prompts sweating, which not only boosts the immune system but aids in the expulsion of toxins. [00:04:00] The challenge is finding unbiased information. Some bloggers might be influenced by either the traditional or infrared sauna industries. The studies have revealed that the key is the elevation in body temperature, which can also be achieved through exercise.


Leah: So, the increase in body temperature stimulates the production of heat shock proteins, which in turn activate the immune system and its response?


David: Exactly. The immune system is activated regardless of the heat shock proteins. It's just one of the benefits. The sauna has a hermetic effect on the body. [00:05:00] By conditioning your body with varying temperatures, you're prepping it to handle diverse environments and possibly even better manage stressful situations. This is because the heat essentially imposes stress on the body.


Leah: And by intentionally doing so, we're training our bodies to achieve balance in the face of increased stress.


David: Precisely.

David: Well, excessive sweating, also known as hyperhidrosis, can be a sign of several underlying conditions or imbalances. Firstly, it could be due to an overactive sympathetic nervous system. This is our "fight or flight" system, which, when activated too frequently or intensely, can cause excessive sweating among other symptoms.


Leah: So it could be more related to stress or anxiety?


David: Exactly. Chronic stress or anxiety can lead to this over-activation, causing not just excessive sweating but also palpitations, insomnia, digestive problems, and more. Another reason could be an overactive thyroid or hyperthyroidism. The thyroid gland plays a crucial role in regulating our metabolism and body temperature. When it's overactive, it can lead to symptoms like increased heart rate, weight loss, and yes, excessive sweating.


Leah: So, essentially the body is running hot.


David: Precisely. But it's not just limited to the thyroid. Hormonal imbalances, particularly during menopause or certain stages of the menstrual cycle, can lead to hot flashes and increased sweating. Medications can also play a role. Some drugs, especially antidepressants and antipsychotics, have excessive sweating as a known side effect. Lastly, certain medical conditions like diabetes, infections, or even some forms of cancer can lead to excessive sweating. It's crucial to consult with a healthcare professional to get to the root cause.


Leah: So, whether someone's not sweating enough or sweating too much, it's always a sign to look deeper and understand what's happening in the body.


David: Absolutely. The body communicates with us through symptoms. It's our job to listen and understand its signals. Sweating, being a natural function, has its purpose. If there's an imbalance, there's always a deeper reason that needs addressing.


Leah: And, just like with the saunas, it's all about balance and helping the body to regulate itself in a natural way.


David: Right. Whether it's through saunas, lifestyle changes, diet, or other interventions, the goal is always to bring the body back to its natural state of equilibrium.
David: For the neurological benefits and the mental clarity and everything, submerging your face is key. That's why sometimes even just dunking your face in a basin of cold water can give you a quick jolt and bring clarity.


Leah: Exactly. And it's that whole idea of the mammalian dive reflex too, where when your face hits the cold water, the body has this instinctual reaction to slow the heart rate, redirect blood to the vital organs, and conserve oxygen. So there's so much happening even just from getting your face cold.


David: Absolutely. And that's what people don't realize. We have these ancient reflexes built into our system that can be harnessed for health and healing. And we're just re-discovering a lot of them. The sauna, cold therapy – it’s all tapping into these natural mechanisms our bodies have always had.


Leah: And that’s the beauty of it. Instead of always looking for the newest pill or potion, sometimes the answers lie in these age-old practices. You just have to be willing to give them a try and feel the benefits for yourself.


David: Exactly. It's a return to nature and listening to what our bodies have always known. We're just finally catching up to that wisdom.

David: Absolutely. And I think that's the big thing. The sauna industry is so vast, and there's so much misinformation out there. People hear infrared and they think it's like some newfangled technology, but in reality, infrared has been around for a long time. It's all about the quality of the heaters, the type of wood used, the craftsmanship, and the efficacy of the sauna.


Leah: And speaking of which, the infrared aspect, can you briefly explain what infrared means for those listening who might not know?


David: Of course. Infrared saunas use infrared light waves to heat the body directly, rather than traditional saunas which heat the air around you. These waves penetrate deeper into the skin, which some believe may offer additional health benefits. There are different types of infrared saunas based on the wavelength - near, mid, and far infrared. Each has its own specific benefits.


Leah: And why would someone choose infrared over a traditional sauna?


David: There are a few reasons. For one, infrared saunas typically operate at a lower temperature than traditional saunas. This can make it more comfortable for people who can't tolerate the high heat of a traditional sauna. Additionally, because the infrared waves penetrate the skin, many believe you get a deeper detoxification experience. But it really boils down to personal preference and what health benefits you're looking for.


Leah: I've also heard that infrared can be beneficial for things like pain relief, improving circulation, and even weight loss. Is there any truth to that?


David: There's some evidence to suggest those benefits, yes. But as with any wellness trend, it's essential to do your research and consult with a health professional. Saunas, whether traditional or infrared, can have a host of benefits, but they aren't a cure-all.


Leah: That's a good point. And I think the key takeaway from our conversation is the importance of doing your homework and finding what works best for your individual needs.


David: Exactly. Everyone's different. And while saunas can be a fantastic addition to a healthy lifestyle, it's crucial to find the right fit for you.

David: well. Right. And so, while the Kangen machine had its merits, the main benefit wasn't really from the alkalinity. The real health benefits were actually coming from the molecular hydrogen that was being produced by the machine. And that's a tiny molecule that has a ton of therapeutic benefits.


Leah: So, what is molecular hydrogen, exactly?


David: Molecular hydrogen, or H2, is the smallest molecule in the universe. When you ingest it, typically through hydrogen-rich water, it can quickly penetrate the cell membranes and even the blood-brain barrier. It has selective antioxidant properties, meaning it specifically targets the most harmful free radicals in the body without interfering with beneficial ones. This is different from other antioxidants, which can sometimes neutralize the good radicals our bodies actually need.


Leah: So, what does that mean for the average person?


David: Well, molecular hydrogen can help reduce oxidative stress and inflammation in the body, two of the major culprits behind aging and many diseases. It can boost athletic performance, increase energy, and has neuroprotective effects. There are also numerous studies suggesting its role in helping with conditions like diabetes, cancer, and cardiovascular diseases.


Leah: That's fascinating. So how do you introduce this hydrogen into your body?


David: The most common way is through drinking hydrogen-infused water. There are machines that dissolve high concentrations of hydrogen gas into water, which you then drink. You can also inhale hydrogen gas directly, but drinking the water is simpler and more accessible for most people.


Leah: So, in a way, it's like an upgraded version of the Kangen machine?


David: Exactly. While Kangen focuses on alkalinity, true hydrogen water devices prioritize the infusion of hydrogen gas, which is where the real therapeutic benefits come from. And the best part? There are no known side effects, making it incredibly safe to consume.


Leah: That's really promising. With so many products out there, it's hard to know what actually works. It sounds like hydrogen therapy is grounded in science and has real benefits.


David: Absolutely. It's a game-changer, and I believe it's the future of preventive and therapeutic health. It's why we've incorporated it into our offerings at Sauna Friend. We want people to have access to these healing modalities. It's all about empowering individuals to take control of their health and wellness.
David: Exactly. That's the beauty of hydrogen. It doesn't discriminate. It goes to where it's needed. And because it's so small, it can penetrate any cell membrane, even the blood-brain barrier. So, it can have a systemic effect. For instance, if you have inflammation in your brain or any oxidative stress, hydrogen can assist there. It neutralizes only the harmful free radicals without affecting the beneficial ones.


Leah: That's amazing. So, essentially, it's like a smart antioxidant.


David: Yes, it's a perfect way to describe it. A smart antioxidant. Unlike taking massive doses of some other antioxidants which can sometimes end up being pro-oxidant if taken in excess, hydrogen knows where to go, what to neutralize and when to exit the body without causing any harm. And since it's natural and already present in our body, there's no concern about overdoing it.


Leah: That's fascinating. So, with these Brown's gas machines, is the main benefit the inhalation of the hydrogen? Or is there a combination of effects from both the hydrogen and oxygen in the gas?


David: There's a combination. While the therapeutic benefits of hydrogen are extensive, inhaling oxygen in that combined form can also be beneficial. Oxygen is, of course, vital for cellular respiration. Together, they can boost energy, improve cognitive function, and support overall cellular health. However, the star here is really the hydrogen due to its selective antioxidant properties and its potential to combat oxidative stress and inflammation.


Leah: It's interesting how something so simple, like hydrogen, which is the most abundant element in the universe, can have such a profound impact on our health.


David: Exactly. Sometimes, nature provides the most effective solutions in the simplest forms. And it's only recently that we've started to truly understand and harness these benefits. But the research is compelling, and I'm excited to see where it leads in terms of health applications in the future.

David: Yeah, there's something primal about it. I mean, think about it. Throughout our evolutionary history, we've huddled together for warmth. Those natural urges, the need for touch, warmth, closeness, they’re deeply ingrained. We live in such an isolated society these days where even basic touch can be scarce. But there’s a real, tangible benefit to it, beyond just the emotional aspect.


Leah: Absolutely. And it's not just about the warmth, although that's a big part of it. It's about the human connection. The physical touch releases oxytocin, like you said, and it reduces cortisol, the stress hormone. And let’s face it, in our modern society, we're stressed all the time. Our bodies are always in that fight-or-flight mode. So any chance to shift from that state, be it through cuddling, biohacking, or any other method, it's so essential for our overall wellbeing.


David: That's so true. All these technologies we're talking about, the infrared lights, the sauna, the cold plunges, they're all fantastic tools to help us find balance in this modern, fast-paced world. But sometimes, it’s the simplest things, like a hug or a cuddle, that can make the most difference. The blend of the ancient and the modern, that's where the magic happens.


Leah: I couldn't agree more. In our quest to optimize our health and wellbeing, we shouldn't forget the basics. Human connection, love, touch – they are just as important, if not more so, than any high-tech gadget or therapy. It’s about balance, isn't it?


David: It really is. And remembering that no matter how advanced we become, our primal needs will always remain. Let’s embrace them.


Leah: Thank you so much for sharing all of your insights, David. Your knowledge on biohacking and bioharmonizing tools is truly invaluable.


David: It was my pleasure, Leah. I'm always excited to discuss and share this information.


Leah: I'm sure many of our listeners are curious about saunas and other health tools. If they have questions, I'll direct them to you.


David: That sounds great. I'm always here to help and provide further information.


Leah: Wonderful. I'll make sure to include your contact details in the show notes for easy access. Thanks again for joining us today, David.


David: Thank you for having me, Leah. And I'm looking forward to our next discussion. There's always more to explore in this field.


Leah: Absolutely! Take care, everyone, and remember to always prioritize your health.

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